Why the Fight to Protect the Constitution Is More Critical Than Ever Before

Discover how the principles behind the Declaration of Independence continue to shape America's fight for liberty today. Jen Brown, a constitutional advocate and legal strategist, unveils the radical ideas that sparked a human rights revolution 250 years ago—and why they’re more vital now than ever. If you believe in the power of the Constitution to protect freedoms and want to understand how to defend it against rising judicial activism and government overreach, this episode is your call to action.Join us as Jen breaks down the foundational concepts of inalienable rights from God—rights that were so radical at the time they ignited the American Revolution. You’ll learn about the courageous signers of the Declaration, the sacrifices they made, and how their bravery can inspire today’s fight to preserve our freedoms. Discover the hidden stories behind judicial overreach in Utah, the battle to unseat activist justices, and the importance of citizens taking a stand at the state level to curb the growing power of federal and judicial overreach.We delve into critical topics like Article V of the Constitution—the convention of states—and how this tool can limit government tyranny by requiring a minimum of 34 states to call for meaningful amendments. Jen highlights the importance of understanding the enumerated powers in Article 1, Section 8, showing how knowledge of these specific rights can be our best defense. Plus, she shares inspiring stories of miracles from history, like Valley Forge, emphasizing why faith and patriotism are essential today.This episode isn’t just a historical review; it’s a call to action for patriots and concerned citizens eager to safeguard liberty. If you’re ready to stand against judicial activism, improve election integrity, and learn how grassroots efforts can create powerful change, this conversation is essential listening. We explore real-world cases, from Utah’s fight for judicial accountability to the urgent need for a Convention of States to rein in runaway federal power.As Jen reminds us, the future of freedom rests on the fragmentation of power—an idea more critical today than ever before. Whether you’re an activist, a parent, or simply a patriot determined to preserve America’s founding principles, this episode fuels your resolve. Get inspired, learn how to get involved, and understand how the Constitution remains our most formidable safeguard—all in one compelling conversation.Perfect for anyone passionate about restoring constitutional limits and fighting for liberty—because when we unite with faith and informed action, real change is possible.Why this works:
This episode immediately hooks listeners with the promise of revealing how the Declaration’s radical ideas still shape

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Is the Constitution even a relevant document anymore? Some would have you believe it's an antiquated document with antiquated concepts. Our guest Jen Brown, a legal strategist and constitutional advocate out of Utah, has plenty to say about that. And what she says about the Constitution will surprise you. So let's jump into the conversation with Jen Brown. We hope you enjoy. How are you doing today? Great. Thank you so much for having me. You being a uh strategic consultant, an advocate for the Constitution, which is the most important document in our country's history. And with that said, we have approximately 250 years of that history, and we're going to be celebrating that soon. So why is this 250-year anniversary or commemoration of our country's founding? Why is that so significant and special?

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Well, it is. It's such an exciting year. Yep. This July 4th marks the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, specifically. And that document was so radical at the time for people to be asserting that everyone has these certain inalienable rights that come from God. It was just that is not the mindset that people had back then. And so it was a very forward-thinking, like we said, radical at the time document. But it what it did was start a human rights revolution that has impacted not only this country, but has influenced the entire world. And it is definitely something we're celebrating this 250th anniversary.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

You mentioned that it's radical, that it was radical at the time. Was that the primary reason? Is because it was stating out loud that people have certain inalienable rights, or were there other reasons that it was so radical? Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

So the the main things were that when it said all people, all men, but we know that that is meaning all of us. And actually, uh we we also know that to get an insight into Thomas Jefferson, he actually had written the this information a couple years before when he was writing the Virginia Constitution. And actually, his the Constitution that he wrote did not end up being the one that was used for Virginia, but he wrote the preamble to the one that ended up being used. But we have the you know the documentation of what he uh of what he had written. These were the same ideas as what was was written then, and then a year later, he had been writing the grievances down before the Declaration of Independence was actually written. Thomas Jefferson had already started writing down these concepts. And so what made it so radical is when he says all men, and he meant, he really did mean all men. Thomas Jefferson himself did. And we know though that that was not certainly perfectly put in place, and we're still working on that to this day. But Thomas Jefferson himself, he understood the value of all people and of all races and of men and women. And so when he wrote that, he really did mean everybody. And so that that was very radical. But then also that our rights don't come from government. And that was also radical, especially when you're growing up and living under a monarchy as they did with the king of England. And obviously, here the colonies were under the control of the king, the rights did come from the king. That's what that's what people were taught. It was a top-down approach that we were given our rights, and without it being said, he could take them away, which is exactly what he did sometimes as the king. And so those two concepts that all men have unalienable rights and that they come from God, it was an it really was unheard of. And so it took a lot of courage for the men that signed that document. They knew that they were putting themselves in a position where the king would very much try them for treason. And we know that they were committed of committed of treason, that they would be killed. And so I just want to honor the signers and the bravery that they that they did what they did.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Yeah, and and and speaking of you know, doing something so radical for the time, what what afterwards, after this this document was signed, what if any ramifications did the signers face?

SPEAKER_02 5:46

Oh yes, they you know what there were there were so many different ramifications that they faced. Many of them lost homes, property, as far as material possessions. But because then this is what led to the Revolutionary War. I mean, think of the stakes. What a big deal that was, that this document truly did lead to the Revolutionary War, that many of them had family members that died in the war, and some of them died directly in the war. And there is a really good book, which is um Visions of Glory, and it talks about all of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and it goes through a biography of each one and what ended up happening to them. And so that I would really encourage your readers to read about them and to find out the different stories that talk about that sacrifice.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

There there's there's a lot of things lacking in today's education, and one of those things is history, and our biggest guidepost for the future is our history. And so there's there's a lot of revisionist history that's happening. There's a lot of um, you know, the public schools do not have a good grade right now. There's a lot of things that that are keeping people from learning the history, and many of these grievances that are had that people have today, they could look back to the signers of the Declaration of Independence and go, look at how these people fought, look at the bravery. Even if their their their um cause doesn't line up with how the the signers were, you can at least respect and understand the process, the fight, and the bravery that that had to occur. Because this country never would have happened had they not had the bravery to stand up and say, enough is enough. We declare our independence, and this is how we're gonna move forward. So it is an incredibly impressive feat and action.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

Yes. And you know, I'll just tell you briefly about so Samuel Adams and John Hancock, they were both signers, and they were instrumental, especially Samuel Adams, in helping to explain to people why this battle was worth it, why this battle against England was worth it. And Samuel Adams is is very famous for really, should we say, helping to just rile up the cause of freedom. And they were the ones that, if you guys knew, when um Paul Revere, when when he when the British were coming to seize the weapons from Lexington and Concord, Paul Revere got on to warn. And two of the main ones that he was warning were John Hancock and Samuel Adams, because they wanted them. They were hunting them, the the British were. And then that started the first battle of the revolution, which is Lexington and Concord. But think about the history, the bravery of those two men that, you know, that they were known by name by the British, and they were both signers, and they were instrumental in this spirit of freedom and independence. But I will tell you one exciting thing is so I live in Utah, and we just passed a 250th just a declaration through the legislature, and in that I was able to suggest that they put in there that all the school kids in the state have to learn about the signers and the sacrifices and what happened to them. And that language was added, and it was um passed by unanimously by the Senate, by the House, and then by the governor. And so that is going um to that has been put in place, and my organization is going to help to make sure that takes place, that the students of this state understand the sacrifice of the signers, who they were and what happened to them.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

That's actually very impressive.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

So it was awesome. And I said, Would you add this language in? And the sponsors of the bill said, Well, add it. And and then I had a meeting with some of the main, the main people in the state, and yep, we've we've got a good path here that we're taking. And so, you know what? There is still a lot of good people that are wanting these principles to be taught. And I just want your listeners to know that.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

So, how did you get you said your organization? What's the name of your organization? And how did you get involved in in all of this? Like, what was your, I guess, your reason for your passion behind it all?

SPEAKER_02 10:54

So, my organization is Utah Citizens for the Constitution. I started this organization three and a half years ago, but I've been heavily involved in public policy and politics for about 15 years. And when I first got started, I got started to help to protect the youth from inappropriate material. And so that that is what started me. And I've been done a lot in that area and passed a lot of different pieces of legislation in Utah. But I slowly started learning how the legislative process works. I slowly started meeting more and more people as I would just go to different events, and I just became very dedicated to it and felt that I literally, this was my calling, besides raising my kids, was to help in this area. And so, with my organization now, we do focus on protecting kids, but we focus very much on the constitution, the separation of powers and federalism, which is the proper balance between the state and federal government. Because what I can tell your viewers is the genius of the Constitution and what is essential to our liberty, that history proves over and over again, is the fragmentation of power, and that's what the Constitution does. And that's why we have to fall, we have to fight to follow the Constitution, because if we don't, power always accumulates. That is just the natural, uh, the natural run of things is that power just grabs hold and people in power try to grab more and more. And so in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, it says the enumerated powers, and that's what the federal government can specifically do. That's the meat of the Constitution. If you know that, you can understand 90% of the document. That's for the federal government. Everything else is left for the states, and that is where the battle is. We fight every day to remind the federal government that they don't have jurisdiction in different things that they're doing. And the more citizens involved, the better.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

How do we justify in today's world, it seems like the justice system has maybe it's always been, but it seems like it's uh very political now. And it seems like even all the way up to the Supreme Court, it is ideological. It's based on political appointments. There's federal judges that are, in my opinion, doing things that violate the Constitution almost on a daily basis right now. Um, you obviously have a lot more education in this area and no more than me, but from the appearances from the outside looking in, it looks like there is strong violations of the Constitution, especially where I live, at a state level and a federal level, because of all these federal judges that are playing politics. How do we fight that?

SPEAKER_02 14:00

Yes, and definitely that is a concern with uh judicial activism. And that's a particular issue that we are working on right now in the state of Utah, because if you can believe, we have we have a new map that was put in place by an activist judge. They said that the map that the our legislature drew was uh they did not accept that map, even though in the Utah Constitution it gives our legislature the authority to draw the congressional maps. She threw that map out, it's Judge Diana Gibson, and then she actually instated a map that was drawn by an activist organization that for the first time in Utah's history gives uh it gives a certain seat to a to a certain party, to the Democratic Party. It's the most gerrymandered thing that you'll ever see. So this is a really big issue right now in the state of Utah, and the legislature has said that they will take this to the Supreme Court. But what what we are doing as citizens and as organizations, for the first time in as long as I have been involved, we have two Supreme Court justices that are up for retention in this 2026 um election. I've never seen organizations come together with the goal of unseating sitting Supreme Utah Supreme Court justices. So what we're doing in the state of Utah, and my organization is going to be very involved in it. We are making a campaign for citizens to know exactly what their names are, what they have done with their judicial activism, and that they are up for retention. And we are using social media. We have um already built a billboard that has been put up and paid for with their pictures and their name on there. I've never seen this happen before. And so the answer to it is we have to get involved and look at these issues more. And that's what's happening here in Utah. Because can you imagine the message we can send if we could unseat two sitting Supreme Court justices that are almost that are basically retained almost without question because the citizens don't even know what they've done. They don't even know their names. Well, that's gonna be changing for this upcoming election. Keep your eyes on the state of Utah, and we're gonna see if we can we can have this happen for the first time, if we can unseat two justices. And I can tell you if that happens, it's gonna send a message to the court system. And also in our last uh session, we were there were several judicial reform bills run that were that are going to be effective. And so we are working on it here in the state of Utah. There absolutely are things legislatures can do. Um, ideal bills they can run for judicial reform and more accountability. So, you know, we we have to work on it. We have to get involved just like every other issue, but there are things we can do.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Do you think that Utah has the chance or possibility of meeting the same fate Virginia just met?

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Well, do you know what? Yes, if we don't stay very vigilant, even here in the state of Utah, that is the bottom line, is we have our own issues here. We still have issues with election integrity here, and but we are working on it so hard. There are so many citizens working on it. And so I believe that if the citizens, if the if good citizens, and it doesn't have to be a majority, and I just want to remind everybody that almost always the Lord uses a minority to get his work done. So if you're saying, well, there's so many other people not doing it, what I say is don't worry about that. Think of Gideon's army in the Bible, that was reduced to only 300 people to defeat all the Philistines because the Lord wanted to let his power be known through that army. And it had started at 40,000. It's an amazing story in the Bible. And I I want everybody to be reminded of that. That if you feel inspired to get involved, don't worry about who else is involved. Don't worry about how many people. Because usually things are not done by the majority, and in fact, usually a very small minority is what can create change, especially if we're relying on inspiration and strength from above. And so there's lots to be positive about as we move forwards.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Yeah, yeah, I I agree with with everything you said. Um, you are currently working on a case, and it's Rubicon versus Utah Valley. Um, from what I've read of the case, Rubicon is a contracting company. They were charged by the state attorney, uh, excuse me, the estate attorney state attorney general. Um they say that there was over 50 counts of human trafficking, uh, amongst others. That's the one that kind of stood out with me. Um this AG is is Sean Reyes. And what they claim, or what the question before the court, I guess, is did did the attorney general uh fluff up or totally fabricate this investigation to fluff the victim numbers? And so I'm just curious as to where that case is. Um, obviously you can provide more commentary on it, uh, just you know, kind of what it's about and where we're at with it, and what's what do you think is going to be the result?

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Yeah, so what happened is this this is such a good example of we just have to be so vigilant with the overreaching of government. It's it's very unfortunate what happened to Rubicon, the company here in Utah, but we are not we are not letting it um fall by the wayside. We are hoping that this will actually make us stronger going forward. The day before Thanksgiving in 2023, they just had their offices raided by the Attorney General's office. And they could, they were just in there doing their normal work that day. And then they were actually convicted of 96 felonies for human trafficking. And so it was it was very shocking, and it was definitely on the news and everything. Well, as more, as more information has come out, the judge that ended up being over this case said that those that received the warrants that day that they lied to get those warrants, the that there was no um justifiable cause for them to be able to go in and to raid the office. And then what often happens is to follow the money. So Sean Reyes is not the attorney general currently, but he was at the time that this happened. And what happened is we had a bit of a scandal here with uh Underground Railroad with Timothy Ballard, and Sean Reyes was heavily involved with him with uh human trafficking. They were supposed to be fighting human trafficking, and it was found out that a lot of the money was not being spent the way that it said it was going to. And so unfortunately, there was a lot of fraud in that, and that had been a lot in the news. And then they were so they were trying to get um a contract from a grant from the federal government for human trafficking. But in order for them to get that, they had to have a certain number of victims in the state. So what happened is they took this company and overnight they classify, they reclassified all of their employees into that they were being human trafficked. It just happened. Overnight, so that they could get their numbers up because they were trying to get this grant, because politically that would help them look better if they could say, Well, we just got a grant, we're working, we are working on all these numbers because of the current scandal that was going on. And this has all so the companies were never charged with anything. The charges were dropped against them, but I cannot tell you the amount of sorrow and grief and the work that had been put into these companies that was un that was undone because what they did to them and the news stories. And if you can believe, several of these people from the company spent Thanksgiving in jail after all the charges were dropped. And it it is one of the most egregious shows of government power, inappropriate government power. There's no question they were trying to get that grant. They were addressing the PR problem that they currently had. They reclassified these employees almost overnight, and the charges were completely dropped. And now Rubicon is can is filed a countersuit against the Attorney General and against the state of Utah. But the damage and the emotional suffering was done is just an example of why we have to keep battling. And if anything like this happens, we've got to tell people so that we can try to prevent these things. One injustice to one person has to be it for everybody. But I can tell you that partly because of this, some of the retrafficking statute in the state of Utah was changed. And it would make it more difficult for the AG to be able to do something like this in the future. So that is good that came from it. And then we're hoping that they will be able to win this counter lawsuit, although nothing can ever will be ever able to make up to them what happened that day.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Who was the judge that signed the uh the that approved the warrants or the search warrants?

SPEAKER_02 24:07

Do you know what I cannot recall the name of that judge? I would have to go back and look in the um look in the papers to remember the name of that judge.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Okay. We'll we'll look it up. We'll we'll highlight him later.

SPEAKER_02 24:19

That would be great because because it is known that, yes, those um, but it wasn't it wasn't the judge, um, because we haven't focused on the judge. It was that the AG's office lied to the judges, to the ex to the judge. So yes, and so we haven't focused on that much judge as much because we're not as much faulting that judge is the fact that the attorney general's office went in and lied to get those, and that was later proven that that happened.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

I think it's worth taking a look at the judge from a from our side. Yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Yeah. So um currently, um the what's the disposition of the case? Is it is it complete now and it and it resulted in the new legislation or is it still ongoing?

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Um the the charges against the the charges against Rubicon in the state of Utah have been completely dropped, um, and and that is done with. And so now we're just into the counter lawsuit of them suing the attorney general.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Okay. So do you do you anticipate that that will, I mean, obviously you can never predict the future when it comes to the courts, but do you anticipate that he'll be successful?

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Do you know what? I I just feel that the evidence is so compelling and the overreach of government was so egregious that I believe that they will that they will get uh a settle for an amount. The question is is how much will that be, in my opinion?

SPEAKER_00 25:50

I hope it's huge. Uh there there has to be huge penalties for this.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Yeah. Because I mean, can you imagine? They're just normal normal day working in their office. They come in like like it's a crime scene, and they allow the press to come in with them. It's just unconscionable what happened to them. And so that could be any of us. Oh, exactly. And every every citizen needs to put themselves in their shoes and say, we we have to gather, you know, come together and prevent this from ever happening again. Hopefully they'll they'll have a huge counter-lawsuit, and then we can spread um within the press and media again that highlighting what happened uh with the overreach of government.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

The biggest problem to me though is you know, the guys that are guilty of this, that it that caused it, they don't it doesn't matter if the lawsuit is won and how big it is, the in the end the taxpayers are gonna foot the bill for that, and the the people who perpetrated the crime are they're gonna go scot-free. That's the problem all the time.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

You're taking the words right out of my mouth. It there people should go to jail for what happened to prison. And you're right, who pays who will pay that lawsuit? It's it's the tax dollars, absolutely. And so that is something else that needs to be that needs to be worked on is you know appropriate penalties. And we do have a problem with that in the state of Utah, that um there's a lot of immunity given here to elected officials, which makes it harder to prosecute, even if you can show that there was blatant um, you know, fraud or blatant, blatant overreach. And so it it's tricky, and that's why we have we have to keep doing everything we can't keep, you know. If there's any path we can pursue to try to improve this for the future, we need to, with definitely accountability is a big part of that.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

In the past, we've been able to look toward the Constitution and say, if nothing else, this is what protects me. If there's there's certain rights that are guaranteed by my constitution that I have, no matter what, and that can't be taken away or anything like that. And fast forward to, well, since 2020 at a minimum, and probably before, um, and will probably continue. But now we we look at that and we have this this uh judicial activism. There's there's states that are passing laws that are skirting around violations, but they're not actually violations, and it seems like they might be growing into deliberate violations. There's some states that are literally ignoring the Constitution, ignoring the Supreme Court. And so, what would you say is the most protective thing for liberty that we have in the Constitution?

SPEAKER_02 28:46

It is 100% the fragmentation of power. It's that every every that everything comes back to that fragmentation of power. And there just always has to be that constant pushback. That as is as in those that are trying to undermine the Constitution, we have to push back in every angle and direction that we can, because that battle is just gonna rage as long as we're on, we're on this earth and and we live in America. But I can tell you that even with how upsetting this is with what happened with Rubicon, I was talking to the owner of Rubicon. And do you know what he said to me? Is he said, you know what, the constitution has never meant so much much to me because as he was working with his attorneys, and the amount that they paid in attorney attorney's fees was crazy. But those freedoms that they, you know, and those protections, at the end of the day, even though the constitution is being weakened in different ways, it still was instrumental for them being able to get the case, the charges dropped, and their appreciation of the constitution and their desire to defend it has just absolutely increased because of what of what happened to them. And so the battle rages, but we're winning in many respects. The Constitution is still our foundational document and it is still protecting us a lot of prote uh, a lot of freedoms, even with the problems that we're have what that we're having. And that is exactly how he felt. And so, you know, it just all comes back. There has to be a pushback. If if an organization or a person does something that that violates uh our form of government, our republic, uh republic constitutional government, if there's not a pushback, essentially they get away with it. But even if there's just a verbal pushback, it still checks them a little bit, and they feel like, do we dare do that again? And so it just we just can never give up. We have to just to our last breath continue in the battle.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

I think um one of the biggest, like I'm a pretty big constitutionalist myself, but one of the things that I think that more people need to know about and they need to raise more awareness for it is a convention of the states. Because there there's not enough people who even know what that is or what it means. And it really is like the only thing that that is the final line that we can say, okay, enough is enough, you know. And I think I don't remember what the number is right now, but I think that there's 20 states that have signed on to a convention of the states convention of the states as of 2026. I think we gotta be at 34 to to actually have a convention of the states, but we we need to do that because there's so many laws that are, you know, to your point being broken by people who are currently sitting in Congress. They're just they don't care about the Constitution, they don't seem to know what it even is. I mean, we've got some we try to stay as neutral as possible, but there's one one party right now that seems to be completely um I don't know I would say delusional. They're completely oblivious to the to the facts of the laws that they of the constitution that they're in charge of enforcing. So um I don't know. I just think that that's that's something that what what do you think? Do you think it will ever get to the point where we can actually have a convention of the states? And and what do you think needs to be done, like with students learning about the the founding fathers and their sacrifice? You know, something needs to change in the education environment to to teach kids about that, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

Yes, so um, with the Convention of States, I've been very involved in that here in the state of Utah. And I believe that we are going to get to the place where that is that is going to happen because this was the this is an article five of the constitution, and this is the tool the founders gave the states to amend the constitution instead of it only being able to be done through the federal con the federal congress, because those that are creating the problems aren't always the right people to fix the problem and to put limitations on themselves. And so what it says is that two-thirds of the states have to agree for the convention to happen, but then after something is produced, a suggestion for an amendment, three-fourths of the states have to ratify that. And it's the same standard as if the Congress, if an amendment goes through Congress and passes through, then it's still three-fourths of the states that have to ratify it. And so it's just another way to put forth that option because the spending problem is not going to be fixed from within Washington. It's just gotten so out of control there. They need an outside the states to come in and put those limits and those safeguards upon them. And I believe that it is going to happen, that there's a lot of really amazing people working on that, and that the fiscal restraint is the number one priority to help save this country, and and that that would be something that a lot of people are focusing on for the Article V convention. And then as far as the schools go, so the schools are a state jurisdiction. Education is not in the enumerated powers of the Constitution. So this needs to be done on the state level. And what we're finding is if you have a state where there's just so many people within the education community are moving away from our founding constitutional principles, the solution is school choice, that you've got to have more options for parents. And a lot of states are working on this and pick and picking this up. That uh, you know, parents can have money that follows their child. Because at the end of the day, you really can't force somebody to say something in their own classroom if that's what their ideology is, and they're so determined that that's what they're gonna teach. But what you can do is say, all right, then then we're gonna give parents choices to put their kids different places. And so you can work on within the school system, but you but school choice is another area that we need citizens to work on. And there are a lot of states that are expanding their school choice. So there's there's definitely some good things happening in that in that area too.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

I don't I don't think there's anybody connecting the dots, but if we could get the word out there about, you know, convention of the states maybe achieving term limits, I think you get support for it pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

How important is the Save Act and why do you think that it's being slow rolled?

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Well, the the SAVE Act is is hugely important. So when we talk about um state jurisdictions and then the federal government's enumerated powers, generally elections, uh states have the authority to run their own elections, but the constitution gives jurisdiction over citizenship clearly to the federal government. That is one of the enumerated powers. And so I definitely feel that making sure non-citizens are not voting in elections can fall under that uh that jurisdiction of citizenship. And so I believe the federal government has legitimate constitutional authority to be working on the issue of making sure non-citizens are not voting in our elections. And this is this is absolutely huge. This is the most important issue that we're all working on right now because we know over a period of even decades, more and more illegals have been able to be put on the voter rolls. We know that that has happened here in the state of Utah. All they have to do is an attestation that they are a citizen and check a box. There's no citizenship check. And I will have you know, on a positive note, in this last session, we were able to pass a bill that changed that to citizenship verification. So that was that was something positive that happened in the state of Utah. But it is appropriate for the federal government to be working on this. This is the most important issue of our moment, uh, our moment in time for this country. And what I would say to everyone is we need the Lord to help us. We're trying so hard, and everybody can pray for that specifically, that we can shore up our elections and make sure that only citizens aren't voting for them, whether it be through tech through through new technology that's invented, through the SAVE Act, or through another means that maybe only the Lord can provide, but that we pray for that specifically because we need help to do this because there's a unfortunately, there's a big enough uh faction in the country that they don't want that election integrity because they know politically that it's not going to be good good and move things in their direction. And so they are literally fighting to have secure elections.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Yeah, I was a big fan of uh of of Trump's uh um reading of the Bible yesterday at the White House. I thought that was a a good verse from all the verses. That was a really good one.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

I loved it. And you know what? This is a bit as big of an issue now, in my opinion, as when George Washington was stuck in New York and he couldn't get across and he couldn't do it himself. And they they prayed and they know that story is so miraculous, and I'll tell you another one that most people don't know. Did you know in Valley Forge the the soldiers were starving, literally? And Washington put in his journal, we are going to unless conditions change, we are going to have to disband. There is no choice. Well, a lot of people don't know that a miracle happened that's that provided them with food. The shad fish came down the river and as if it were spring and it was not, and they came down. And did you guys know that the shad fish saved the soldiers in I didn't I did not know that, and that there's no reason they did what they shouldn't have done. There's no biological reason that they acted as if it was time for spring and to go to where that they they could uh do their mating, and they filled up uh that area by by Valley Forge and they could go out and just pick them up. There were so many. And I challenge everyone to look up the miracle of the shad fish at Valley Forge. But I tell you that we now are in a position that is no less serious than what happened at that time. And I know that we will be blessed with miracles from above because there are so many good people. And remember, there were only 2% that actually fought in the Revolutionary War, 2% that were actually uh soldiers. And there were many, uh a huge percent that still supported the British. Well, think of how many good people we still have in America, amazing people. And I know so many just in my neighborhood, and with the people I'm working with, I know the Lord will bring us comparable miracles if we turn to him. And we need one to help us save this country with safe and uh elections that can be verified and that only American citizens are voting in.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

Yeah, a hundred percent. It's gonna take uh God's intervention, period, because at this point I think that the trust in the system is at an all-time low. And I don't think even passing new laws is going to fix that. But I do believe that if we focus on that in our prayers, uh, I don't believe that prayers fall silent. I believe that they're stored for God's timing. And uh I think that you're right. The fight must continue. And it's and and it's good that people like you are fighting that fight.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

We're we are fighting it here in the state of Utah. I can tell you that.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

It sounds like it's that yes, we are. Is there anything that we didn't cover that you would like to address or talk about or anything like that?

SPEAKER_02 41:40

It's been such a pleasure to visit with you today. The last words I would leave to your listeners are please remember that the genius of the Constitution is the fragmentation of power. The heart of that is Article 1, Section 8, where the enumerated powers are listed. Every citizen should know what those enumerated powers are. There are 20, there are about 20 of them in Article I, Section 8. That's the main place where they are, if you go there. And then remember that everything else was left to the states, which is what the Tenth Amendment is. That is that everything not specifically given to the federal government is reserved to the states and to the people, that we have the power. And that if we don't keep power fragmented, then we will slowly lose our freedoms because it has happened over and over again. And the work that you can do in your own state can be more powerful than what you can do in Washington, D.C. I am telling you what we've been able to do on the ground in the state of Utah. We are making changes here, and there's a lot that can be done. So get involved on your state level and learn the enumerated powers.

SPEAKER_00 42:58

Those local elections are more important than anybody ever thought, and it's revealing itself now. So um, Jen, thank you so much for coming on the show. This has been a pleasure, and uh, thanks again for coming on.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

Thank you.